[Nfd-dev] LINK spec discussion

[Alex Afanasyev]

On Sep 15, 2014, at 12:54 PM, Lixia Zhang <lixia at cs.ucla.edu> wrote:

> top posting: sorry I'm falling behind email; Yingdi reminded me today that there is an exchange going on here.
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> maybe I read the long msg too quick: I got confused with whether nameA=ndnSIM, or nameA=att in Alex's argument ....
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> I also do not understand the format of (b) below...
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> Further, what is "link for encapsulation"...  My understanding says that an encapsulated Data packet includes 2 objects, a LINK and a Data, so what is "link for encapsulation" ?

Please see the named-data.net/downloads/memos/link.pdf spec.  I intentionally did not fully described all the option and listed just a summary of what we currently have in the link.pdf.  All naming is very preliminary, so it could be confusing.

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Alex

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> On Sep 12, 2014, at 4:40 PM, Alex Afanasyev <alexander.afanasyev at ucla.edu> wrote:
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>> Hi!
>> 
>> I want continue our discussion about LINK specification (named-data.net/downloads/memos/link.pdf).
>> 
>> Currently we preliminary defined three elements:
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>> a) link for redirection:
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>>   signA("nameA", content: "nameB")
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>> b) link for delegation     
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>>   signA("nameA", content: signB("nameB", content: "prefixOfNameA"))
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>> c) "link" for encapsulation  
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>>   sha256("nameB" | "nameA", content: ("delegation or redirection link", data("nameA"))
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>> 
>> The option (b) is the latest addition and I have some reservations about it.  In particular, what exactly this delegation achieves?  What security problem we are solving with it.
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>> Let me give some example of (b).  I own a "non-routable" namespace /ndnsim and my site is connected to /att and /ucla networks.  So, the (b) option would require:
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>> - I will have to obtain a "redirection" links from /att and /ucla to /ndnsim (option (a)) = get a permission from /att and /ucla to host /ndnsim site
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>> - Then I will create a delegation packet(s) that I can put in NDNS to tell others that my site is currently available through /att and /ucla.
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>> The process looks ok, but the question I have is what significance is in the first permission.  What is the point of me of requesting permission from my provider to host a website?  What I would gain and what provider itself would gain?
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>> I personally, do not yet see a clear benefit from this process, only that it would complicate the delegation process.  Only me is able to tell others that my site is available at different places, so there is no question about others claiming that my site is available somewhere else.   If I mistakenly put a wrong link, then I myself will be at loss: i wouldn't be able to serve my content and somebody else would receive my interests and could reply to them with some junk.  
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>> If I "maliciously" put somebody else's network as a link, then interests for my data would go there.  But what is the harm?  If nobody replies to them, then routers can start ignoring/pushing back such interests.  If somebody replying, then somebody serves data and from the network point of view nothing bad is happening.
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>> In short, I want us have a deep discussion on what exactly we are protecting and from whom.  For me, even with only one signature (option a), only the owner of the original namespace (/ndnsim) is able to create a legitimate link to somewhere else.   Additional signature could protect "provider" (destination of the link), but is it really a problem?  Anybody could send any number of interests to that provider even without any link (erroneous or malicious).
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>> Alex
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