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    <p>Hi John,</p>
    <p>As you point out the restriction was there to ease management. If
      management can be done through a NAT then I suppose we could allow
      exceptions under situations such as those you describe below.</p>
    <p>I am still not entirely comfortable with NATs since they add
      another layer to be configured properly and a dependence on
      another machine. But if you feel comfortable with them then I have
      no objection.</p>
    <p>Just curious, is there a good reason why they want to put a
      testbed machine behind a NAT? Is it lack of routable IP addresses
      or something else?<br>
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    <p>Christos.</p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/09/2017 05:10 PM, Dehart, John
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      Alex,
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      <div class="">The site still has to be configured so that we get
        ports that are acceptable.</div>
      <div class="">Perhaps we don’t get external port 80 but our end
        can use alternate ports.</div>
      <div class="">We have one site where we don’t get port 80 but we
        use port 8080.</div>
      <div class="">There is another site where we don’t get port 22,
        but they have configured</div>
      <div class="">external port 22222 to get translated to port 22 on
        the site node behind the NAT.</div>
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      <div class="">So, it is not automatic. There is configuration
        needed at the site end and</div>
      <div class="">at our end.</div>
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      <div class="">It is perhaps not ideal but it is manageable.</div>
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      <div class="">John</div>
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            <div class="">On Apr 9, 2017, at 5:33 PM, Alex Afanasyev
              <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:aa@CS.UCLA.EDU"
                class="">aa@CS.UCLA.EDU</a>> wrote:</div>
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              <div dir="ltr" class="">How would you manage such a node? 
                If it is behind the NAT (without any ports redirected,
                then it will only be able establish connectivity to the
                testbed and there could be issues getting status (from
                web interface).
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                <div class="">--</div>
                <div class="">Alex</div>
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                <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 3:12 PM,
                  Dehart, John <span dir="ltr" class="">
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                      class="">jdd@wustl.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br
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                      <div class="">All:</div>
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                      <div class="">In our policy statement (<a
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href="https://named-data.net/ndn-testbed/policies-connecting-nodes-ndn-testbed/"
                          target="_blank" class="">https://named-data.net/ndn-<wbr
                            class="">testbed/policies-connecting-<wbr
                            class="">nodes-ndn-testbed/</a>)</div>
                      <div class="">for a site joining the NDN Testbed,
                        we state:</div>
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                      <div class="">"<span
                          style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:'Helvetica
Neue',Helvetica,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"
                          class="">The machine may be a dedicated
                          physical box or a virtual machine (VM) with a </span></div>
                      <div class=""><span
                          style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:'Helvetica
Neue',Helvetica,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"
                          class="">  publicly routable IP address (i.e.,
                          should not be behind a NAT). </span><font
                          class="" color="#222222" face="Helvetica Neue,
                          Helvetica, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
                            style="font-size:14px" class="">“</span></font></div>
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                      <div class="">I would like to lift the restriction
                        about being behind a NAT. I believe that we
                        originally put</div>
                      <div class="">that stipulation in the policy as a
                        convenience to us as we managed the NDN Testbed.</div>
                      <div class="">We have already been flexible with a
                        couple of sites that wanted or needed to be
                        behind a NAT.  </div>
                      <div class="">So far, I do not have any evidence
                        that this has caused any problems. We do have an
                        issue with</div>
                      <div class="">one site that happens to be behind a
                        NAT but at this time I do not think the NAT is
                        causing the problem.</div>
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                      <div class="">Does anyone have any concrete
                        reasons why an NDN node on the NDN Testbed
                        should</div>
                      <div class="">NOT be allowed to be behind a NAT?</div>
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                      <div class="">Thanks,</div>
                      <div class="">John</div>
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