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Here are updates (in <font color="#ff0000">red</font>) on NDN-RTC testing progress, as reported by Peter and John, and summarized to the best of my ability. </div>
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Thanks to everyone that has been working on this!!</div>
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Please correct inline or directly in the associated redmine issue. </div>
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Note that there are three existing issues with NFD/related tools which were recently identified as impacting NDN-RTC performance on the testbed. See B-4,5,6 below. </div>
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<i>Please add information within the appropriate redmine issue, if possible, rather than by email.</i> </div>
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<b>1. March 2 seminar. </b>Christos will give the next seminar on March 2. Anyone at ColoState that might be able to provide support to him in running both NDN-RTC and WebEx at the same time? Peter, can you follow up with Christos and Steve as a starting
point, and try to push a new version of NDN-RTC with any things that we want to test? My suggestion is also to provide only one bandwidth option for each stream, so we see uniform requests across all nodes. <b> </b><a href="http://redmine.named-data.net/issues/3485">http://redmine.named-data.net/issues/3485</a></div>
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9 test</b>.</font><font face="Calibri,sans-serif"> <b>Please review the redmine issue above and items below for some results and discussion since last week.</b> As next week's seminar will be rescheduled, Peter will give an ndncon usage Q&A to generate traffic
for the test. Plans and results for this upcoming seminar will be tracked here:<font color="#0000ff"> </font></font><a href="http://redmine.named-data.net/issues/3512" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><font color="#0000ff">http://redmine.named-data.net/issues/3512</font></a><font face="Calibri,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"> </font>
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<b>2. Test plan. </b>Peter proposes to put together a methodical testing strategy, using the seminars and other regular meetings as tests of NDN-RTC. John is already helping with this. <i>We would like a single point of contact from the NFD team</i> to act
as a liaison for this, and help get questions answers / design an approach. Who should it be? <a href="http://redmine.named-data.net/issues/3487">http://redmine.named-data.net/issues/3487</a></div>
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<div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif"><b>3. Enable ARC detectors. </b>Peter,<b> </b>I know that we are not ready for incorporating ARC support, and it's not likely to solve current problems, but I'm wondering if we could include the congestion detection mechanism
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<div>4. <b><font color="#ff0000">Testing ndncon sync behavior (added 3/4)</font>.</b> We are running tests to chase down and fix (prior to March 9) a potential issue with Chronosync use in ndncon that leads to high CPU load. See <a href="http://redmine.named-data.net/issues/3508">http://redmine.named-data.net/issues/3508</a>.
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<b>1. PIT / name-tree entries. </b>After the test on Wednesday, the REMAP node contained nNameTreeEntries=96278, nPitEntries=52185. Can someone help us figure out what they are / what caused them so we can try to mitigate? Or, provide instrumentation to do
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<b>2. Capture of NFD parameters during the test.</b> John, is it possible to do periodic capture of stats like the above – perhaps every few seconds per node? (Or do you already do that?) This would be useful in evaluating these tests and also looking for
relevant behavior during the test. Assignee: WUSTL? <a href="http://redmine.named-data.net/issues/3486">http://redmine.named-data.net/issues/3486</a></div>
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when connecting a new client to the testbed. Please see this issue: <a href="http://redmine.named-data.net/issues/1968"><font color="#0000ff">http://redmine.named-data.net/issues/1968</font></a> and proposed solution:<font color="#0000ff"> <a href="http://redmine.named-data.net/issues/2182">http://redmine.named-data.net/issues/2182</a></font>
NFD folks, these tasks are unassigned – can they be assigned? Is the release target of v0.5 correct? We need to do regular restarts of testbed hosts in the meantime to achieve proper functionality. </div>
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5. <b><font color="#ff0000">Access strategy assumptions fail for NDN-RTC traffic</font></b>. Access strategy seems to flood NDN-RTC producers with interests for other producers if they are connected to the same hub. Please see issue <a href="http://redmine.named-data.net/issues/3219">http://redmine.named-data.net/issues/3219</a>
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<b>1. NDN-RTC: Bandwidth performance. </b>Significantly higher bandwidth than expected was observed during the test, and higher than I remember from previous versions. Peter, can you let us know to expect for a given stream (in both directions), and breakdown
in percentages with its major contributions are? Also, you may wish to change the menu options to reflect both the media bitrate and the estimated total network traffic so people know what to expect. Assignee: <b>Peter </b>Due:<b> Before next seminar.</b> <a href="http://redmine.named-data.net/issues/3478">http://redmine.named-data.net/issues/3478</a></div>
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<b>2. NDN-RTC: Silence suppression</b>. Several people noted that silence suppression should be incorporate so that audio fetching from silent participants is reduced/eliminated, potentially reducing PIT and CPU load. (We have discussed this before. Though
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<div><b>1. NFD/Testbed – Acceptable target bandwidth</b>. Even with inefficiencies in the application, the nominal bandwidths that were observed (~100-500 kbyte/sec) <i>should </i>be reasonable on the university networks and nodes in questions. Given that
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<div><b>1. Simulation:</b> <b>Real app</b>. Klaus and others would like to be able to simulate NDN-RTC traffic. Junxiao suggests that ns3 can support external traffic. I'm not sure if this is what Junxiao was referring to, but here's a HOWTO - <a href="https://www.nsnam.org/wiki/HOWTO_make_ns-3_interact_with_the_real_world">https://www.nsnam.org/wiki/HOWTO_make_ns–3_interact_with_the_real_world</a>.
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<div><b>2. Emulation</b>. In addition, it was discussed that NDN-RTC could be run with the Mini-NDN emulation environment. This seems feasible. Does someone from the NFD team want to try, this perhaps in the context of figuring out NFD PIT growth issue?
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<div><b>3. Simulation: traffic generator</b>. If the above is not feasible, Lixia suggests a simple traffic generator could also be written. (See 2/26 17:26 message). <a href="http://redmine.named-data.net/issues/3480">http://redmine.named-data.net/issues/3480</a></div>
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<b>1. NFD Instrumentation</b>. Though it might take time to add, perhaps we can brainstorm about what instrumentation for NFD would help with debugging these types of applications, and perhaps come up with short-term ways to achieve it. Could the NFD team
contribute ideas to this and Peter, can you add notes to this on an ongoing basses about what might be useful for NDN-RTC?) <a href="http://redmine.named-data.net/issues/3476">http://redmine.named-data.net/issues/3476</a></div>
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<b>1. Prioritization</b>. For both audio and eventually scalable video traffic, NDN-RTC could make use of the type of one-hop priority mechanism discussed briefly with Van a year or so ago. Can we pursue design and discussion of this? <a href="http://redmine.named-data.net/issues/3475">http://redmine.named-data.net/issues/3475</a>
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