[Nfd-dev] NFD/ndn on android

Sun Aug 9 14:17:32 PDT 2015

"It" is an idea that ndn is an option in closed cell networks, perhaps 
for performance reasons, perhaps for security, reliability, etc.... Test 
cases to be determined.

I plan on disabling cell service on the cell phones, building an ndn 
opwnwrt router, connecting about 6-10 cell phones to it native and 
making voip (or should that be vondn) calls, stream media to/fro cell 
phones, and benchmark it along the way.

On 08/09/2015 11:14 AM, Simon Edelhaus wrote:
> Chaim,
>
> In order for NDN to be deployed on Cellular networks you would have to 
> make it a part of a future 3GPP Release. That takes years of lobbying 
> with chipset vendors like Qualcomm, Intel, MediaTek, NVIDIA, Broadcom, 
> Cavium, as well as system vendors like ALU, Huawei, Ericson, Cisco, etc...
>
> If NDN has strong performance benefits compared to IPv6 currently 
> used, you have a chance. I believe Cisco is involved in NDN so you 
> could perhaps explore that angle.
>
> As far as doing something immediate to test it over the air, your best 
> bet would be to find an open source femtocell, port NDN there and 
> force your Android port on your cell phone to attach specifically to 
> that femtocell.
> You would then be the "first guy who tested NDN over the air" but 
> realistically - it would not be very different than WiFi and would not 
> represent a real situation - since most of the end to end network 
> would still be IP.   ;-)
>
> Who are it and what is your interest in the area if I may ask?
>
> On Sunday, August 9, 2015, Wentao Shang <wentaoshang at gmail.com 
> <mailto:wentaoshang at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>     > On Aug 9, 2015, at 12:18 AM, Chaim Rieger
>     <chaim.rieger at gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
>     >
>     > What I am trying to do is disable cellular connectivity, and
>     force all the apps to connect via ndn only. This is for testing
>     the feasibility of security,  mass communications, and latency
>     numbers on the cell networks.
>     >
>     > So my question is, will ndn be a protocol allowed on cellular
>     devices one day and if so, what can I do to help make it happen.
>
>     Today’s 3G/4G networks already support TCP/IP connectivity.
>     Therefore it’s easy to run NDN over TCP/IP over LTE/WCDMA/etc. 2G
>     is quite different and I don’t know if it’s possible to run a TCP
>     tunnel over 2G directly from a mobile device.
>
>     If you’re talking about running NDN natively over cellular, I
>     think that’s non-trivial because the TCP/IP stack is baked into
>     the 3G/4G standards. Just like it’s non-trivial to change today’s
>     Internet to run native NDN without IP.
>
>     Wentao
>
>     >
>     >
>     >> On Aug 8, 2015, at 8:06 PM, Wentao Shang <wentaoshang at gmail.com
>     <javascript:;>> wrote:
>     >>
>     >> Setting up NFD on Android is the same as on Linux machines.
>     Typically you connect the local NFD (in this case the Android app)
>     to some remote hub (e.g., some NDN router in your already-setup
>     NDN wireless network) via either TCP or UDP.
>     >>
>     >> Wentao
>     >>
>     >>> On Aug 8, 2015, at 7:54 PM, Chaim Rieger
>     <chaim.rieger at gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>> One last followup question
>     >>>
>     >>> For the android apk (i found 6 of them, will figure out which
>     one I need) forward ndn packets only via tcp ? Or can I connect
>     directly to an NDN wireless network that I have in my lab ?
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>> On 08/08/2015 07:43 PM, Wentao Shang wrote:
>     >>>> Hi Chaim,
>     >>>>
>     >>>> NFD is not implemented in kernel. What you get is just a
>     normal Android app, like Chrome or Gmail apps. Your NDN
>     applications will talk to this NFD app who is responsible for
>     forwarding the NDN packets to the outside networks.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Best,
>     >>>> Wentao
>     >>>>
>     >>>>> On Aug 8, 2015, at 7:34 PM, Chaim Rieger
>     <chaim.rieger at gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> I compiled it succsessfully. However not being an android
>     dev, I have questions.
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Once it's compiled does this mean that I have a version of
>     android os with ndn/nfd ?
>     >>>>> Can i take this android os and drop it on a cell phone for
>     testing ?
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> On 08/07/2015 03:29 PM, Alex Afanasyev wrote:
>     >>>>>> Hi Chaim,
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> I'm not quite sure what exactly you're asking.  We have
>     initial version of NFD ported on android (as of right now, you
>     would need to compile from source
>     https://github.com/named-data/NFD-android, but we plan to publish
>     compiled version too) and there are a few apps that use NDN
>     protocol and NFD-android to communicate.
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> Is this what you're asking or you meant something different?
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> ---
>     >>>>>> Alex
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2015, at 3:14 PM, Chaim Rieger
>     <chaim.rieger at gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
>     >>>>>>>
>     >>>>>>> As a protocol not as an application stack.
>     >>>>>>>
>     >>>>>>> Has anybody done this ?
>     >>>>>>>
>     >>>>>>> If not are there any sample apps that I can look at to run
>     some test algorithms on android devices ?
>     >>>>>>>
>     >>>>>>>
>     >>>>>>>
>     >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>     >>>>>>> Nfd-dev mailing list
>     >>>>>>> Nfd-dev at lists.cs.ucla.edu <javascript:;>
>     >>>>>>> http://www.lists.cs.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/nfd-dev
>     >>>>> _______________________________________________
>     >>>>> Nfd-dev mailing list
>     >>>>> Nfd-dev at lists.cs.ucla.edu <javascript:;>
>     >>>>> http://www.lists.cs.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/nfd-dev
>     >>>
>     >>
>     >
>
>
>
> -- 
> --ttfn
> Simon Edelhaus
> San Jose CA

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.lists.cs.ucla.edu/pipermail/nfd-dev/attachments/20150809/6cebd8f0/attachment.html>