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Thank you very much for your feedback. Looks like I'll have to re-consider my project and take a different approach. I am very new to this field, so I'll try tackle something more manageable.</div>
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Jon Chin<br>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Junxiao Shi <shijunxiao@email.arizona.edu><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 7, 2021 8:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chin, Jon <jonchin@csu.fullerton.edu><br>
<b>Cc:</b> ndn-interest@lists.cs.ucla.edu <ndn-interest@lists.cs.ucla.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [External] Re: [EXT][Ndn-interest] NDN Applied to Industrial Control Systems</font>
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<div>Hi Jon<br>
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I would like to see if an Industrial Control System (ICS) implemented using NDN has stronger security than an ICS implemented using IP.</div>
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<span style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">My proposed steps are:</span>
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<div>Do you have a specific industrial control system in mind?</div>
<div>UCLA has a building management system that is essentially implemented as a bridge from IP to NDN:
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https://named-data.net/publications/securing_building_management_ndn/</a></div>
<div>Or do you mean a more realtime kind, that involves controlling robots, etc?<br>
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<div>These two attacks do not work on NDN.</div>
<div>The NDN counterparts are cache poisoning and Interest flooding.<br>
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<div>What results do you plan to collect?</div>
<div>What conclusions can you possibly draw on an emulated testbed, as opposed to theoretical analysis?<br>
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Do you have any thoughts or suggestions regarding this project idea? Would it contribute to the field? Is it feasible to complete in one semester?<br>
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<div>UCLA built their building management testbed in more than 3 years, so...<br>
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<div>Yours, Junxiao<br>
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